ARCH LINUX UPDATE WARNING

[dedanna1029]

Kernel 2.6.38 and NVidia issues

I have put them in IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf for now, per this post.

[viking60]

With that title, I had to update -ofcourse No problems (thank God). But I get the impression that Nvidia is getting more and more Linux hostile.

[dedanna1029]

Did you see the thread pointed to in the initial post of this thread? It's from the Arch forums.

Question: Do you have dkms-nvidia installed?

[viking60]

Question one: Yes I read it.
And I do not have dkms-nvidia installed

[dedanna1029]

Interesting. You might want to post to that thread then.

[viking60]

It looks like it is hardware related too. So it is probably limited to some laptops. I have nvidia 270.41.03-1 .

[dedanna1029]

Yeah, it does seem so. It seems like it's nvidia's deal from what they're saying there, but I don't think so. I just had an nvidia update on Fedora, along with a kernel update, and it went honky-dorey, so. *shrug

I'm afraid to update Arch, however. I'm having too many issues with it as it is, from libnotify screwing me 'round, and now this, I'm afraid to do anything with it. Have been playing more in the Fedora sandbox lately, it seems to be quite a bit more stable right now (even if nowhere near up to par with the versions of kernel, etc. that Arch is cranking out).

[viking60]

Arch is rock solid here. You have so many "specialities" that it will be only a matter of short time, before you get the Fedora issues. But KISS is not for everyone, you have to be vigilant.
Fedora is an important distro though. I am just to "Archefied" and I have Mandriva so I have no need for it. I don't know what it is but I find Fedora a bit boring.

[dedanna1029]

I may *try* to update it, not sure. No real specialties on it any more. The problem is, if the kernel/nvidia bugs bite, along with the X upgrade, I'll be screwed. That's what I'm afraid of, so am erring on the side of caution.

The only real thing I like to make damn sure of is my sound, and that, is screwed in Arch with their libnotify upgrade.

[viking60]

Yes well, I can't argue with that. You are the Sound-Berserk so I bow to your expertise in the matter

[dedanna1029]

Oh, I am SO glad I didn't let it do this update.

"xf86-video-v4l and xorg-server1.10.0 are in conflict. Remove xorg-server1.10.0?"

Please explain to me how the HELL that is a conflict in the first place, and second, I mean, I would think that xorg-server would be a tad required by nvidia.

Geez, they screwed that thing up!!!

I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but thank god for Fedora 14 right now!!! They are caught up to Arch on everything but Xorg itself and the kernel, and did NOT have to touch libnotify, and I've had TWO (count 'em) TWO kmod-nvidia updates over the last two Fedora updates I've done, and NVIDIA IS STILL FINE.

I have NO clue what the hell Arch thinks they're doing, but I will tell you this:

THEY ARE DOINK IT WRONK.

[viking60]

I am not sure about that:

xf86-video-v4l is an old Xv ddx driver for video4linux devices. It is not a conventional ddx and does not allow you to run X on your V4L device. Rather, its a special generic capture driver included in Xorg which provides an X-Video extension port for video overlay.

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xf86-video-v4l

I just updated and it went smoothly as usual. Maybe some of your superduper special settings could be wronk?

And this is a valid piece of information that could explain it:

V4L1 API was dropped on kernel 2.6.38. Even the emulation layer inside kernel was dropped. While it might still be possible to use X with libv4l and a LD_PRELOADER setup, the proper way is to port the driver to use the V4L2 API.