Mageia

[dedanna1029]

It's my understanding that Mandriva is now doing anything but dying with the buyout?

[viking60]

There are attempts to communicate with the community from the new CEO and Per Øyvind (Norwegian cooker guy) is suddenly all over the place. So they are making an effort. The distro is maintained and very functional. I have no complaints about my 64 bit installation. I have not heard much from the Russians and don't know what they plan to do. I guess it can go either way.

[dedanna1029]

I saw this thread when it was still in its infancy, and had only one page. Haven't looked since. Maybe I should? Is there anything there that would lend one to believe that the Russians won't keep it going as-is for the most part?

[viking60]

No there is not. So the plan is to keep things as is and get better. They might pull it off.

[viking60]

Mageia will go for LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice. They do not trust Oracle either, as it looks. Good show.

[dedanna1029]

Mageia will go for LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice. They do not trust Oracle either, as it looks. Good show.

I'm quite tired of OpenOffice anyway...

[viking60]

It looks like the new alpha release date for Mageia is January.

[viking60]

Getting quiet? That could be a good thing or a bad thing. Anyway the Alpha release is still due in January. This is the last announcement I'll have a look here: http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/ And it seems that they are trying to vote for Packagers representatives without much success so far. (mostly a discussion of non working e-mail) It should have been closed 3rd of January (Meeting)- but no result in the ML so far. So I am a happy optimist and jump to the Summary of Last meeting ML to find out: Hi there So we had our first 2011 meeting tonight. You will find logs and minutes on http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/20 ... 20.02.html. Here are the main topics and actions: 1 - starting importing packages build system is not all ready yet but packages import in Mageia svn can start. As planned in previous meeting, people who had packager account in Mandriva Minux, will receive an email with all information so that they can start work on this. 2 - start mentoring Mentoring should start with packagers who did not have packager account but are experienced already so that we can grow team quickly. They will be listed on wiki, so do potential mentors. #mageia-mentoring is a dedicated chan for all those who would like to become packagers and want some help on packaging. 3 - Mageia policies shikamaru send a mail to summarize the work, and what should be done precisely and provide a wiki page so that we can follow work on it. Work is going on but needs more help, especially from packagers (explain why policies are existing) Cheers -- Anne http://www.mageia.org I am a simple foreigner so I probably cannot understand it - but I cannot find anything about Packagers representatives there But hey there is a link here so I optimistically go there to check further: http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-dev/20 ... 20.02.html eh

I hope they can produce something. I support them But I will not be spammed by ML so I cannot be on those voluntary lists. I have translated the Norwegian startpage on mageia.org (the only Norwegian translation anywhere so far). I also think ML is an organisational disaster, in this case anyway. The first ML mentioned here just ended - no result no nothing. The dev meeting log has nothing about a ML started to be treated at a meeting on the 3rd of January. In fact we know that the meeting started at 20:02:25 UTC but not on what date. There is no information about that in the log. It's probably just me And here I am ready to launch a theory for what it is worth: The French (and the Germans) love to organize for the organizations sake. And they tend to confuse the relating bureaucracy with actual work In this case we see a ML with no follow up lots of "work" to start it, many mailboxes "spammed", even a set date the 3rd of January where it should be concluded (that is a good thing IMHO) and no result except for the mails created. I cannot see that the log is related to the roadmap either. What EVERYBODY wants to know is on what date in January the Alpha will be released! Some word about the release at the very least. "Structures" are being discussed and the word is highly loved. That goes for "organization" too. And a lot of time and writing is spent on it. With no result IMO. The goal is to release the best possible distro - right? That is what I want to read about! and I get: "1. nanar to send proposal about policy change process" That was the first point that needed to be adressed? Boy I am sure I could find a place in parliament for you guys Starting an ML with a deadline for a meeting on the 3rd of January and then not treat the topic on that very same meeting is eh well.... Please feel free to set me straight on this - I am loosing faith here. I am after all just a confused foreigner. PS: I will have to be set straight here, since the forum or no forum discussion at Mageia has been treated much the same as the above. A bit of talk and no result and no conclusion - as far as I can tell (eh well actually there is a result: no forum).

[jkerr82508]

About packagers' representatives:

https://epoll.mageia.org/vote/ISJTLYRT

Most of the work being done is on the necessary support systems, as reported in the sysadmin ML. Packagers can only start real work after the build system is in place, and the sources have been imported and purged of Mandriva material.

Personally I prefer that things be done carefully and correctly rather than "quick and dirty". If the project is to be enduring, then an organizational structure is essential, to ensure that it can survive the departure of key individuals, which can always happen for any number of reasons.

Whether or not they can eventually produce an acceptable "product" remains to be seen. (I've always felt that the target of producing a first stable release in the first quarter of 2011 was ambitious.)

The translation teams are in the process of being organised as reported in the i18n ML.

Jim

[rolf]

I look at the 'discuss' digest in my email client but don't have time to, nor interest to participate in the organizational debates. Personally, it is irritating to see how much top-posting and html comes through. Despite chastising about what I consider to be a matter of courtesy and convention, there seems little movement on this aspect, even defiance. Like I said, it's a personal gripe, somewhat minor, but a flag about quality of contribution/content, the way I see things. It is something to watch but I've a long (almost 11 years) history with Mandr??? as the only distro, like what it has been, hope it will continue.

The Mageia Mailing-Lists Forum Gateway is a new thing to me. That looks nice. It is a slow process but there is a lot of energy being invested, progress is happening.

[viking60]

To be fair: That Mailing list gateway made it possible for me to criticize them. That is a good thing. But I only found out about it because jkerr seems to have a crystal ball somewhere (Thanks again Jkerr). The Poll has a clear result for Anne Nicolas and Michaler Scherer; how hard would it be to communicate the result in the log for the meeting? (Given the history here, I think good communication would be the first thing to organize) @Jkerr I agree that "quick and dirty" could mean a potential suicide. "Slow and dirty" is almost certain suicide. Starting an ML and concluding somewhere else is not good organization - not in my book.

As always: It is the result that counts And my "feeling" is much like your feeling - They can't make January. They need to "organize" more first. This is pure speculation and could be a bit malicious (sorry Mageia). Mageia has made a clear statement in the road map and it remains unchanged so the Alpha must be out any day now. That is the state of things according to Mageia so I'll stop whining now. And start looking for the download button!

[viking60]

OK looks like someone toke the criticism seriously:
http://blog.mageia.org/?p=363
Looks like packaging is on track and Web and Communication + Marketing are somewhat behind. Alpha release is prophylactically mentioned as something that we cannot expect much of.
But things are going to get "way more interesting" in the months to come.
Well I can't help it; I think the Alpha release is going to be interesting anyway