viking60 wrote:Time to show your cojones then:
What errors?)
That's not the right question in my POV, or even the right way to put the issues. If you want to see "cojones" (nice spanish word but I prefer Colhões!), I'm not the right guy to show you mine, not my cup of cake. But I will have the pleasure to explain, in my POV, what were my errors related to the process I coordinated regarding OpenMandriva Logo - this means Get a Face!
First of all, and this is really important, we never said that the last choice will be from community. I would be fine with It personally, the same for name, but as you may understand the decisions on the rules to take are not taken by one individual, and therefor the final method was to as community for contributions, then ask community to say "what you like best?", and then from there discuss with community, members, council, etc... and take a decision. If that was not explicit, I assume my fault, as I am, and was by that time, the communication responsible.
Errors along the way that I assume clearly: the choice of platform for discussion and hosting of the images. As the site and forums were a bit "fuzzy" those times and we wanted to move forward, I pushed the discussion to Social Networks and Mailing List, and forgot a bit the forums, etc. My choice was Reddit for tree main reasons, it's open source, has a vote/downvote system (it would be rather easy to see peoples opinion change), and imgur integration (a simple image hosting). The result was not the best, and I assume, like I did before this choice.
Other error, mainly because I don't have much time and got focused on particular things, was that I mainly focused on internal communication on the Foundation ML, and also to communicate not as much as possible and to show the places were the discussion were taken. Also I'm not English, and my English is not the best, so sometimes may lead to misinterpretations, in the same measure that people that reads interpret things to according tho their mind tools.
The discussion were not taken at closed doors really, the archives of the ML's and Loomio can be checked, but I understand the criticism, may not agree or say it's a fair criticism, when people don't know is the same of "not existing".
Like I said before I try to do the "things" the best possible way, I'm not here at war with no one, and also I'm not the master of reason, as no one else here.
I will not to go through the "what is a meritocracy", because it's a model with different forms, but, in this case, I can make it simple - in a meritocracy with takes the lead are the ones that contribute and show "work" instead of the Kind (status based), the Bourgeois (the ones with money) or simple anyone. A democracy can be a meritocracy.
In the case of OMA, I was involved in the Statutes building, meritocracy principle was taken as base. So all the members should have merit + volunteer to be members of the association. The Members Ship Committee has to role to evaluate that, so when someone applies to be a member they check if people have merit (we define merit as being an active contributor in any form, directly any people in a Team can be a member). When we are talking of members that can't be proved merit right a way, or are people that are just new contributors they stay 3 months with no vote power, after that, if merit is recognized they pop in normally. As you know, only members can apply to be in council, this means, manage the association. Keeping it simple, only people with merit... The way they are selected, is democratic, all the members vote for the members that apply to be in council. The decisions are taken by the different teams solo except if those are strategic or political ones, for example, in this OMA considered that Name and Logo are one of the decisions that should not be taken by teams solo; in this is the great "clash" with Per, that defend that only the Distro Devs should decide the Distro name (i will not discuss this, so don't stress on it). Technical bottlenecks are resolved by the technical committee that = active devs. In the council the decisions are taken in a democratic way, for example, the rules to be applied in the name competition are proposed, discussed, and when a level of consensus is taken, are written down and voted, if majority + 1 wins, the rules are applied.
I believe that this is not perfect, but, the association is very young, the council was elected few months ago, is composed of mainly devs that are focused on distro and not on governance and other aspects. Regarding that OMA has to respond legally for all the things that are done to French law, for example, new members entrance or leaving, branding issues, present accountability reports, etc... And there is lot's of work to be done and very few people available for it. But tasks are distributed. I believe that all are important in this case.
I know that most people would like to see things go forward faster, It could be done: YES, it could be done faster. But, for my part I would not be there, because the only way to do it faster, I see, is to act not like an association of volunteers but as a autocracy, where people will just decide and push things forward based on their availability. And some with more availability will just move faster, but in that case the Association will have to respond and support something they have no commitment and enrollment.
Personally I prefer other methods. Maybe I'm wrong, and If I am, I like to be wrong.
Repeating, association is very young, there is lot's of opinions to manage, and OMA as to defend herself by on side, respond to people expectations by other side and manage wills, resources, etc... Mageia is Mageia, has a completely different reality. And on other hand, do they listen to you? We will try to, please have some bit of patient. I try to respect everybody even when I don't agree, please respect me and the work we are trying to put up.
My role is to communicate to you all, to make things a bit more clear, I'm not here to be a deceiver of anything. And don't forget there are times when the difference of opinions is so big that problems occur and even in good faith of action people fail. But from fail people learn. But like I said before no one here is the Master of reason, everybody has committed errors.
Moving forward:
The Quest for the Holy Name List
http://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/Quest_for_the_holy_nameThe rules are Being approved, some votes need to be taken, but the list is open, we will only work with the names that have some description, details, arguments, etc... if someone proposes a name, and no one has a valid argument for it, that is not a good name.
Here are the list of ML
http://ml.openmandriva.org/Our social accounts
http://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/Social_networks We are having problems with the G+ account and identi.ca is dying so....
In IRC, as Mandriva is "putting us out" adn we cannot use anything with Mandriva on it except if it is OpenMandriva, we have our own branded channels
http://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/Openmandriva_on_IRCany one wanting to be on a team please check this out
http://wiki.openmandriva.org/en/Teamsthanks, and please change to a more constructive attitude. Don't take this as a "critic", just that a peaceful environment is better for all and people are more productive with critics pointed in a positive way, independent of who.
best to all.
Chocked and surprised the top dog then jumped ship and is now using Apple. I am sure he feels that he has been banned to Hell.... 
Without becoming a communist. In Communism the leader (and the top enlightened group - the ones that are more equal than others) knows what is best for the people without asking them. The Association can be criticized of this but you are not exactly in a position to throw the first stone either...
You are a good guy 
And being blunt is almost a requirement in a Berserk forum so who are we to criticize that? 
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Looks like things are moving forwards 
