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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby viking60 » 24 Mar 2013, 14:40

I pretty much agree. And yes I want to see the work on the distro not on a lot of "burocracy" around it - Per Øvind makes perfect sense there.
So I think provind deserves some support. But his diplomatic skills are even worse than mine.....(Viking tradition :-D )
So I may come over a bit to critical.
I am willing to accept a limited body count to get the distro out and provind is the man to do it.
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby proyvind » 24 Mar 2013, 15:43

Notice that I'm not in any way discouraging any involvement from users, the association or anything, I've rather been encouraging it.
We've laid our vision of how the upcoming release should be, while Mandriva didn't allow us to have the trademark or logo, we do get to keep the rest of the brand with things like "The Friendly Face of Linux", cute penguins etc. that we really wanna carry on as it's part of our identity and brand recognition, which is one of the few things we have left in all of this.
So while no artwork for the distribution has been produced or coordinated by the association itself, and they're way late, unskilled etc. to even think of starting to put together something (and we don't want something as silly as Mageia did for their second release, where everyone voted on various community contributions without any idea about how it should be, and not only did they end up with boring artwork, they ended up with artwork ripped off from someone else), while we've had our ideas in place and decided on since we first got the technical specs etc. in place for the upcoming release.

So we do value the input from our users, and we do encourage and greatfully accept their contributions, but not only do we find it unacceptable for this association to fully govern and take complete control of the distribution like they're trying to go about, they're even trying to do so for things planned and worked on by us for since long time ago, for things they've yet to produce or even plan anything for.
If they wanna be involved with this, and especially for this release, they need to properly involved with those of us who are already doing the actual work with well established experience, insight and expertize, not trying to make decissions on things for and without us.
For next release they may get to be more fully involved from the start and participate discussions and making decissions, provided that they contribute anything to it, but even this has to be done in a proper manner, through proper channels and following established etiquette for development.

@viking60: My greatest concern is certainly the quality of the distribution as well, which is simply why I trust myself and existing contributors worked together with rather than turning everything over to someone who hasn't bothered to try work together with us (despite of repeatedly being urged to do so), nor has any relevant experience, anything produced nor even started on discussions of any plans for it either.

@dedanna1029: I won't jump the ship as it would mean abandoning everything we've built and legacy to carry, while a fork also would imply a lot more work (without any delayed pay at all even;) as I'm not working *alone*. We do have several contributors who fortunately shares the tremendous amount of work on updating and maintaing software packages in the distribution, but most tend to prefer focusing on those things of most interest to themself (which there's nothing wrong with at all) and there's usually few who actually goes on to take care of and follows through on any responsibilities beyond this, which are the things I've been left working pretty much all alone on, which is quite frustrating and challenging as these are the more demanding tasks that it would've been a delight of not having to carry the burden of being the single point of failure. A technical committe appointed by the council in the naive belief of that everyone in that group will be taking an equal amount of collective responsibility in a democratic fashion is pretty out of touch with reality, especially considering all of our actual experience so far speaks strongly against this.
We'll be having an IRC meeting in 30 minutes for the cooker community to discuss the matters btw., so there should hopefully be some further interesting development later today.. :)

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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby viking60 » 24 Mar 2013, 15:54

This all makes sense :s
As for the graphics rolf has made a good suggestion:
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Keep us updated.
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby dedanna1029 » 24 Mar 2013, 16:53

My point, is that knowing Mandriva's history of just that very thing - war and peace - and knowing the "peace" part never came to fruition, and those same players being in this thing too, I'd have to let go of it completely, in order to find some peace. After things happened the way they did at the old MDV forum, in the end, that's what I had to do, and did, and I'm at peace where I am now. Nothing to do with Mandriva ever brought me that, and neither has anything to do with it since brought me any peace. In fact, it's been extremely upsetting instead, frustrating, and a constant can of drama.

I do not see how the project can come to fruition until the drama stops completely, they lay a solid foundation (and by that I don't mean "the" foundation of OpenMandriva), and have a place where absolutely clear lines of communication can exist, and everyone, whoever they are, are on the same page. I just don't see it. Online communications (again, get a doggone office!) make it so easy to miscommunicate, and misunderstand others. For right now, that's all this "distro" is, is the work that Per's done, and everyone, absolutely everyone, going off and about, doing their own thing (or not, as the case may very well be), with their own agendas.

I'm sorry, but this does not make a "distro" IMO. I sure hope they prove me wrong, but either way, I won't be going back (sorry Per) for more of the same ol' MDV SA (and community) shit. I won't be running it; I'm staying where I am, now that I have something that works for me. It's the principle, not the code.
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby proyvind » 24 Mar 2013, 19:10

Meeting just finished, and the cooker development community seems to have consensus on things and know where we all stand on things together.
So things looks positive from our side now, next we'll have to resolve the conflicts with the association, something I'm much more positive at that we'll be able to do now, as we all stand united and not just me alone against the world anymore.. ;)


So we'll hopefully have a new meeting soon with association and also Bruce participating.
As the president of it's council is quite a reasonable and friendly guy that I have mutual trust with since ages ago, and I've already discussed much of these things in private with, with quite a constructive and positive tone, I have a quite great confidence of the situation being finally resolved.:)

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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby viking60 » 25 Mar 2013, 09:33

Good news there then. Soon we will have a distro..
The cooker repos seem moody today

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[root@localhost thomas]# sudo urpmi --auto-update -v
getting lock on urpmi
using mirror http://abf.rosalinux.ru/downloads/cooker/repository/x86_64
...retrieving failed: aria2 failed: exited with 2
[root@localhost thomas]# sudo urpmi --auto-update -v
getting lock on urpmi
using mirror http://abf.rosalinux.ru/downloads/cooker/repository/x86_64
...retrieving failed: aria2 failed: exited with 2

Any suggestions?
Edit:
It did seem to connect after a loong while, but there clearly is communication trouble. I have to retry 5 to 6 times in drakrpm too before it installs something. It turns out that aria2 was one of the updates so that might be the reason.
Here are my system data after I (finally) managed to install inxi:
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[thomas@localhost ~]$ inxi -Fz
System:    Host: localhost.localdomain Kernel: 3.7.6-nrjQL-desktop-70mdv x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: KDE 4.10.00 Distro: Mandriva Linux Free 2013.0 Cooker
Machine:   System: innotek product: VirtualBox version: 1.2
           Mobo: N/A model: N/A Bios: innotek version: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i7 CPU 920 (-MCP-) cache: 0 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3)
           Clock Speeds: 1: 2673.129 MHz 2: 2673.129 MHz
Graphics:  Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter
           X.Org: 1.13.2 drivers: v4l,vesa Resolution: [email protected]
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.2, 128 bits) GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 9.1
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller driver: snd_intel8x0 Sound: ALSA ver: k3.7.6-nrjQL-desktop-70mdv
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: e1000
           IF: enp0s3 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE]
           IF: N/A state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
           Card-3: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 LANCE]
           IF: N/A state: N/A speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: N/A
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 13.0GB (43.0% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 13.0GB
Partition: ID: / size: 6.2G used: 4.9G (83%) fs: ext4 ID: /home size: 5.1G used: 363M (8%) fs: ext4
           ID: swap-1 size: 0.77GB used: 0.06GB (7%) fs: swap
RAID:      No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 143 Uptime: 53 min Memory: 604.3/998.5MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.8.45

It looks like inxi comes in the 1.7.5 version - but that does not matter: You can update the script directly with:

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inxi -U
which will make it 1.8.45
And remember to run

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inxi --recommends
so that you can install the extgra godies (like xrandr) that inxi wants (no dependency but nice to have).
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby dedanna1029 » 25 Mar 2013, 10:28

Try running as su -:

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sensors-detect

Reboot.

Then, see what your sensors say on your connection. I've noticed that when temps get a bit hot, my connection slows drastically down.

Other than that, no clue. It seems there may be a problem with aria2, though:
viking wrote:

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...retrieving failed: aria2 failed: exited with 2


I'd have to check to see what the "exited with 2" code is to be sure, though.

Edit: Aria2 exit statuses
2=Timeout occurred. Probably on their end.
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby viking60 » 25 Mar 2013, 10:31

I have edited above. aria2 was indeed one of the updates so they must have known about it and fixed it. Running the full update now...... So life is good again. Cooker is supposed to give us small hickups like that :-D
I wonder if the system will be up after it finishes :-D
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There are a lot of updates so there clearly is some serious work going on - we like that +1
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby dedanna1029 » 25 Mar 2013, 10:35

Ah, OK. I edited above, too. lol.
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby viking60 » 25 Mar 2013, 12:16

Hm this is strange.....Everything works :shock: Music plays Java works Flash...
The Mandriva Control Panel cannot be started with MCC so that stayes the same. I dunno if this is a bug or a policy :confused However I am not depending on it so I can continue testing....
Installed Norwegian KDE-locale (kde-l10n-nb) and picked it in the KDE settings loging out and back in and ...that worked just fine.
The meta package gnome-shell-minimal will not fire due to the unfulfilled dependency gnome-shell. So I guess it makes sense to stay away from Gnome for a while.
I just wanted to test the log in to different DE on the login page anyway...
And the connection and the updating seems to run fine now.
So now comes the ultimate test - I will remove the orphans....
:-D That did not work - something needed gnash etc..
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby dedanna1029 » 25 Mar 2013, 13:37

Well, gnash can go if you're using flash. In fact, it's best for it to.
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Re: OpenMandriva

Postby viking60 » 25 Mar 2013, 13:45

Well I never installed it and I bet if I remove it there will be a lot of other unresolved dependencies . I would not expect this to work before the distro is finished.
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