I still agree 100% with your description. But I think we need to inform everyone about it, because not everyone knows how much they are spyed on. ie When you become the next president of the US - don't be suprised that the 30 year old nude pic. from facebook turns up.
It does not help that you were young and dum and spaced out. In the end beeing aware of this is the best medicine. I use Google search too - it is the best. With all the other cloud things I really think hard about it, before I accept the tempting offer.
That the chinese gouverrnment could buy information about everybody interested in Dalai Lama - it was not for marketing purposes. It shows the worst case. (And Google realized that eventually).
So how much do you trust your gouvernment?
Be aware and think hard about it - that is all we can do - and we should. Everybody is doing it so we cannot do anything about it is too dangerous. Boycot is almost impossible though. But I think Bing is working against open source, so depending on your views, it could be an option.
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I know that every government spies on me, as they do everyone else. I'm just saying I care no more about it than I do google doing it, or AT&T, or my ISP, or anyone else. Doesn't bother me a bit; like I said, "here guys, take a bill and pay it for me."
I'd rather be a free person who fears terrorists, than be a "safe" person who fears the government.
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Don't say you haven't been warned. You will be sorry the day you get elected President! 
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LOL. Since I won't, I'm not worried. lol.
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dedanna1029 wrote:What percentage of spying does it have to be before people call it wrong? Spying is spying is spying. Even if you spy just a little, it makes no difference. You're still doing it. You're still collecting information that no one gave you permission to collect. If we boycott google, then we need to be boycotting everyone. Shut down your computer, because the internet is no place for you.
I will not stop using the best search engine that exists, just because they do something everyone else does anyway.
For that matter, yahoo/AT&T, Comcast, the list goes on... they're worse in a lot of regards to me than google!
Get the admission from your own ISP,,, mine spies, and was on the list when AT&T and other companies were found out (google was in that list, too) that they were spying,,, who you gonna call now to be your ISP, Ghostbusters?
that's like saying "everyone is biased, but although this certain one person [insert name] is the over-the-top biased, im just going to stop talking to everyone"
and for that matter, you are in a way boycotting Mandriva, you refuse to to use the forum, use mandriva product,won't even click on anything on their domain and get on others not to, isn't that boycotting in a way?
The point is that there are tolerable levels, and then there are ones are over the limit. I don't really mind too much if a company is spying in the sense of finding my computer info, brand name, nationality, etc. But then there are ones who want accessed to almost all your life, your workplace, your house location, who is in your family, who are your friends, what you have done on facebook and twitter.
a big thing that ticked me off about google was 2 years ago when i was about 12 when i accidentally left my full name on the mandriva forum and posted and someone quoted me on it, that fricken post stayed on google's number 1 search result typing my name for almost till now when its finally its on second page. Bing and Yahoo don't list it, and i have went through 10 pages of each.No one clicked on that result im pretty sure, i did once by accident.
and i personally can live without google. I find bing's search engine better than google's anyways. I done my science fair and report with it and satisfied with it, more than i was with google the previous years, with social studies projects, finding out what certain things (like medical things) mean, and just browsing the web for stupid things lol. I also like how bing has the images that you can scroll all the way to the bottom instead of having to click page 1, page 2, page 3, and etc with the others.
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iceycooler9 wrote:and for that matter, you are in a way boycotting Mandriva, you refuse to to use the forum, use mandriva product,won't even click on anything on their domain and get on others not to, isn't that boycotting in a way?
I boycott Mandriva for entirely different reasons, none of which have anything to do with spying or anything else of the like. You know this. It's irrelevant to this thread.
Plus, as I said, one incident of it is too many. A rose is a rose is a rose.
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dedanna1029 wrote: It's irrelevant to this thread.
not quite. There are bad seeds everywhere, carelessness everywhere, stupidity everywhere, and etc everywhere. But you boycott mandriva, because it exceeds tolerable degrees.
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Right, but on spying, there is no tolerable degree, IMHO, and I don't think there is one for anyone else, either. So, accept it and move on, or shut down. Mandriva doesn't put on in that position.
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i still don't see what your trying to say. Again i don't care that much if they are spying in the sense they are finding out my computer info and nationality, but when spying goes into personal things, then it's an issue. I guess i can say the tolerable amount is exceeded once the spying goes into personal things of one's life.
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That's what they all do, is gather one's personal information. It's no different for one, than it is for another! What, you think all they get is maybe your IP addy, and then they're off, all innocence? No! The reality is, they gather all they can, including everything!
I'd rather be a free person who fears terrorists, than be a "safe" person who fears the government.
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I will place my money on Google now.
My reasons are...
They are the only ones right now that MS are scared of.
Apple is what they did not wanted to be in they started, including MS.
They are advocates of Open Source
GMail is great, is very simple to use.
Google Docs is awesome when I was hunting for a Job (Cloud Computing is great for these kind of things).
Those are some reasons that I can think of right now.
But I do not understand the paranoia, like Rafe Needleman from CNET. He hates Google and Apple about privacy, monopolistic tactics but he embraces MS, I think he is a hypocrite.
My reasons are...
They are the only ones right now that MS are scared of.
Apple is what they did not wanted to be in they started, including MS.
They are advocates of Open Source
GMail is great, is very simple to use.
Google Docs is awesome when I was hunting for a Job (Cloud Computing is great for these kind of things).
Those are some reasons that I can think of right now.
But I do not understand the paranoia, like Rafe Needleman from CNET. He hates Google and Apple about privacy, monopolistic tactics but he embraces MS, I think he is a hypocrite.